New name for Fascism?

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:47 pm

Many definitions for fascism incorporate racism along with it. This includes dictionary definitions, many books and even wikipedia. In Britain we have many 'anti-fascist groups' active, such as 'Unite Against Fascism' but are formed to combat racism.

The name 'facsism' is derived from the Italian word fascio and from the Latin word fasces , which means 'bundle'. A fasces was a bundle of sticks used symbolically for the power through unity. A truly brilliant word to incorporate our beliefs.

However, it has been hindered by the belief that we are racist, and many are too ignorant to hear different. Maybe instead of trying to convince people that fascism is not racist, we could find a new name for the ideology? As a result, fascism would rise from the ashes and seem like an entirely fresh ideology to the majority of people, simply by creating a new 'ism'.

Might be a little far-fetched... just a thought though. If it is a bad idea, dont hesitate to tell me

Black Brigade Lieutenant Joined: 01 Oct 2009 Posts: 136

i say third position but that probably won't catch on.

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:00 pm

I'm not really fond of the idea of taking on a new name, that would be deception and it would mean we'd try to cover up our roots (PNF). Though I can see why it would be necessary in some countries. In my country, however, people are losing interest in the 'old' views about fascism, they don't know what negative connotation fascism has, sadly, gained. So it should be no problem to use fascism in the near future in my country I think. However, politics has no logic, and situations can escalate the wrong way.

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:42 pm

Third Positionist would be good. Not as catchy as fascism though.

And yeah, wish my country was a little more like that to be honest. Here Fascism is practically just another word for racism. They label the BNP as fascist, although in my opinion they're not at all and they themselves reject the term. I'd rather not change it, but public opinion here seems to necessitate it.

Someone used 'whollism' on another blog though, sounded pretty good. Problem with relabelling it totally is getting other people to adopt it.

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:07 pm

Commander GB wrote:

Third Positionist would be good. Not as catchy as fascism though.

And yeah, wish my country was a little more like that to be honest. Here Fascism is practically just another word for racism.

IMO it's not just a blackened reputation--and frankly it's naive IMO to think people will just forget the past and turn to the fascist banner as if it were something new. I DO think that if or when democracy cracks, people will be more open to alternative ideas and movements. Still, even in the best case, we'd better be careful and not press our luck. The association of fascism with atrocities and, "loss of freedom" make use of the term politicallu amateurish to say the least. In the real world of politics, one MUST be deceptive if necessary.
Yet another important consideration is the fact that fascism was a mid 20th century thing. Here we are at the dawn of a new century and millennium, the Space Age--and all we can do is copy some flawed, failed movement of the past century, conceived by people without a tenth of the progress and knowledge made since then. Rolling Eyes

Come on people, we should be devising our own Worldview, based on our own times and the FAR greater knowledge of today/tomorrow.

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Someone used 'whollism' on another blog though, sounded pretty good. Problem with relabelling it totally is getting other people to adopt it.

Right, the problem with any new term would be its relative obscurity. As I posted elsewhere for purposes of winning mass support, we'd have to use a term the masses can most readily relate to, like American patriotism.

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:07 pm

Saying you're a fascist, is the same as saying you're a reincarnation of pure evil. Even though our politicians tell us that the people are too educated and enlightened to believe in propaganda, they do. Fascism (and some parts of Communism) is the arch nemisis of democracy and liberalism, thus the propaganda machine of the West have made us believe that Fascism is pure evil; an ideology for those power hungry, war-mongering racists. Why would we try to associate ourself with those words?

Communism did not win power in Italy, since (of many other reasons) the people there were too religious to support an atheistic movement; so will not a Fascist movement win in a democratic country, since the people are too "freedom-loving".

But as Trajanus said, when democracy fails, people will be more open for alternative ideas; but it will never be an idea under the name of Fascism. Even though a Christian person loses some faith in his current church, does not mean that this person will begin to worship the devil. And that's what Fascism is in our liberalistic society, the devil; the enemy.

What should the name be? I don't know. Perhaps it will go by different names in different countries, even though I am hoping for an international name, so that it is easier for future Fascist nations to maintain a good diplomatic relationship. I usally call myself a Corporativist or National Syndicalist when I introduce my ideas to new persons.

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:07 am

Progressive Nationalism?

Black Brigade Lieutenant Joined: 21 Sep 2009 Posts: 110

Sol_Invictus wrote:

Progressive Nationalism?

Nationalism sounds a bit alarming for a radical ideology. National Progressivism would be an effective anagram. It can be interpreted in the same way as the first one, but also has the implications of progressivism as socially progressive, which it would be, though in a different direction. Progressivism would imply liberalism, but it is better than being passed off as merely conservative extremists.

On the other hand, we may want to be more upfront about it, and Progressive Nationalism is more descriptive.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:42 pm

I do believe we need a shared name for the ideology we share. As Trajanus points out, its not really fascism anymore as we have to incorporate the needs of the contemporary, and as a result it becomes a new ideology entirely. Fascism died, and I believe a new movement must rise from the ashes.

Progressive Nationalism and National Progressivism are both good, but I think progressivism is too asociated with liberalism. The progressive party in the US was very left wing, and the progressive democrats in Ireland are just liberals.

I like the idea of 'National Collectivism' as it shows our belief that the collective, i.e. nation, is more important than the individual.

Black Brigade Major Joined: 01 May 2009 Posts: 256

We should be able to spot each other based on platform, not ideological name.

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:49 am

Pragmatic wrote:

We should be able to spot each other based on platform, not ideological name.

But if we share the same name, it will be a lot easier to identify eachother (former Fascists), just as Communists do.

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:32 pm

Another positive side about sharing the same name is that it will hopefully make us able to avoid conflicts between us, such as Mussolini and Metaxas had. That's one of the biggest problems nationalists in Europe are facing, little cooperation between the nationalists parties. Parties like the BNP, Front National or Forza Nova express little or no will to work together for the benefit of Europe in the European Parlement.

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:24 am

thedesertfox91 wrote:

Parties like the BNP

BNP aren't even Fascists.

They're authoritarian racist socialists.

Really, they're one of the most syncretic parties out there.

Black Brigade Major Joined: 01 May 2009 Posts: 256

I fail to see how they're socialists; they're ethno-nationalists and producerists, and while we can comment on whether or not that qualifies as fascist it certainly doesn't make them "racist socialists".

They receive plenty of poor coverage from the mainstream media, but so does fascism; we should be careful about our assessments and refuse to play into progressive doublespeak.